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Denzinger, this
is a site that you can purchase a copy of Denzinger on the dogma
of the church.
Sources of Dogma by Denzinger is downloadable. Caution heresy has even
slipped in with the Denzinger publications. Tan and others publish it but be
more on the lookout from 1965 onwards. You can get it from Most Holy Family
Monastery also.
I refer any novus ordo to use it and when you do, we
hope you leave that disgrace new order church, and practice the
true faith. I have taken from Canon 188.4 Code of 1917, a cleric
who publicly defects from the Catholic faith automatically loses
any office he holds in the Church. It plainly means all the
post conciliar popes, bishops and clergy are manifest heretics.
They are not catholic, they are not members of the Church.
Sedevacantism is the only way to be faithful to the Church, to
her dogmas and to Christ. There is no other way and charity cannot
bypass these truths of the last twenty centuries nor do I contradict
the Scriptures. All we are arguing is in line with scriptures and
pre-conciliar teaching. Is the Siri theory correct? Not exactly,
even if Siri had been elected twice he lost office as soon as he
cowarded out and went along with Vatican II and the novus ordo.
He was perhaps silenced until his death in 1989.
It does not matter that he took the name Gregory
XVII. The Four Marks site and
monthly publication are worth reading and supports the sede vacante
position. This organization is more in line with the truth other
than some of the false traditionalists organizations and those
who claim to be traditional catholics. My experiences within the
traditional circles at chapels that do not adhere to the apostate
novus ordo catholic religion is that many or most traditional
catholics are cafeteria traditional catholics. So it is that Christ
makes no exceptions to those who attend only indults, or Tridentine
Masses in any particular organization and this does include the
St. Pius X Society who has not been fair to Christ and those who wish to obey
only the true doctrine of the church and the Mass prior to John XXIII
revising it in 1962. Such half hearted or no hearted traditional
catholics shall not enter into heaven either. Indifference
and apathy or merely being present but not living as a traditional
catholic with sacrifice and suffering makes such just like most novus
ordo catholics. There are many who are
still claiming heretics can be popes and bishops and the novus ordo
is not evil, that Vatican II is a legitimate council and many other
things contrary to the traditional catholic faith. They are lukewarm
and will end up in hell with the heretic leaders and heretic novus ordo
catholics. You must be in the true faith to be saved, and only in rare
exceptions those not embracing this faith shall be saved, but I will not
be the one to make that judgment so I leave it into the hands of the
Immortal One. This is
an extended argument in favor of the sensible sede vacante position
we have to take against the enemies within the church, that is
Benedict and the prelates, chanceries who are nothing but a mass
of manifest, formal heretics and the leaders of a false religion.
It is not the Catholic Church. The four marks, one holy, catholic
and apostolic church shall begin this valid argument. One that is
there is only one true faith, one true religion, its doctrine,
magisterium, dogmas, its holiness, its saints, its popes, its
rites, its Mass, prayers and it does not change. Who is the head of
the Church? Jesus Christ and the vicar is merely one to safeguard
that fortress and its foundations. If such foundation is removed
the church shall collapse. That is what the heretics of Vatican II
and its "popes" have done, and it will eventually sink, that is their
new church shall eventually fall alongside with all the other fake
protestant religions. One can profess to be catholic but not live
as such or adhere to the ageless traditions and authority that existed
for nearly 2,000 years. If such leaders including a pope do not follow
these safeguarded and unchangeable truths, they are not members of the
Catholic Church. They have protested against the truth of Christ. If a
pope ceases to be valid or never was valid by masonry, heresy or the
necessary profession of faith, oath against modernism and the papal oath
they are not the pope, they are not catholic, and are outside the church.
It is easy to be consecrated, ordained and make verbal or written vows
to the true catholic church and the faith, but if they have no intention
to follow those truths they are not on the ark of salvation. Christ said
I am with you until the end of time (world). He did not say the pope or the
bishops will be with you until the end, did He? Where is that in the Latin
Vulgate? Where is it even in papal teaching and any council prior to
Vatican II? Catholic that is, is universal, the faith of the early fathers handed down by Christ to the first disciples. He did not say change up or invent new things. That universal faith remains the same and does not ever form into new teachings, nor does it turn away from its origin for the modern world unlike the false teachers and advocates of Vatican II. Holy, which is Christ, not the head of the church on earth the vicar of Christ. For where does the source of holiness come from, man or God? So it is John Paul II a mere man who was a liberal progressivist way before Vatican II brought his heretical beliefs inside the church with the other dogs at the time of Pius XII's reign. Pius kept some of them out of power until he died. That holiness of the church would be gone not much later with the reform. So if it is not holy, it is not Christ, it is not His church. There is nothing holy about Vatican II, the novus ordo mess, and there is nothing holy about the heretics of the post-conciliar church who promote evil by way of the false teachings of Vatican II. It the apostolic church, that authority is based on the early fathers and derived from the first apostles, Peter, John, Andrew, Jude, Simon, Matthew, Philip... If the line of succession of apostolicity continues it must be faithful to what Christ gave to Peter and the first leaders who walked and ate with Him. It is not evident today nor has it been since the time of Pius XII. Such a perpetual line of apostles (redhats, bishops) must teach and live by what was handed down to them, if they fail, they are not disciples of Christ, but ravenous wolves destroying souls and subverting the Church. If the one who sits on the throne of Peter does not do as Peter did or would have done, he is deposed, he is not the pope but an imposter and an agent of Satan. He is to be disobeyed all the time. We know the church, we know the faith, we don't adhere to false popes such as hope pope John Paul II. The sedevacante position merely indicates heretics have no authority to be obeyed. We will gladly obey what has been given to us from Christ, to Peter down to Pius XII. We shall obey all councils prior to Vatican II. We will acknowledge the chair and office of Peter and his primacy. In the one instance in history a Pope resigned and the other instance the seat of Peter was empty for two years and then there were times of schism and a handful of popes who fell into heresy either by inaction to fight and speak out against heresy or to aid it. One such pope was Honorius, Liberius also was one who went wrong. John XXII as you know but repented before his death. Where is the perpetual line of successors if for the one case there was no Pope for nearly three years? It tosses the anti-sedevacantists argument out the window. Perhaps they can file a legal brief and form a table of cases to bring forth this. We also can file a brief based on the history of the church, with popes, saints, and doctors of the church and we can present the scriptures and many other sources to validate the sede vacante position and still remain loyal to the Roman Catholic Church of non-heresy, non-novelty, non-modernism and the majority of schismatics in the new order church. We choose not to take the broad way as new church does. I have taken a look at some verses of scripture not to deny any subsequent teaching of the Church prior to Vatican II but to point out that the scriptures indicate some facts that never give a definite declaration or any general declaring in the line of the apostles or the pope being perpetual unto the end. That includes Pastor Aeternus in that such authority cannot over-ride or undo what has been established already by tradition and previous successors such as St. Agatho, Innocent III, Paul IV or any other Pope who from the chair of Peter laid the law down once and for all. Pius IX had to establish or further reiterate in the Council and his syllabus the teachings of the church since the enemies outside her and inside were trying to destroy her as they have practically done in Vatican II. So if new church is not the church then one person is still alive and completely faithful to Christ in the infallible and indefectible meaning of the Church it is that sheep that Christ will take up when the false shepherds all ran or slept, took a permanent vacation for tending the flock or taught the devil's gospel to kill the sheep. The new church teaches a new gospel but still proclaims some truths. Don't fall for the sweet lies or watered down un catholic faith they push on you or you will perish with them. Their lot is hell. God does not change and His laws or word, and the Scriptures do not change. If a church or a leader or any person changes they are bound to fail. We can only change to form to the image of Christ and His will, which is the will of the Father and the Triune Being are always in agreement with each other. No new church is not the Roman Catholic Church, but I must go further the Society of St. Pius X is not the true church either, nor can we claim that any society or organization is the true church. What then is this true church, one in which we must attend a true Mass of 1955 or before completely under the Tridentine Rite with the Tridentine Sacraments and its rites, one which professes the unmovable and irreversible dogma and doctrine of Christ, not the fallible popes of any time or the anti-popes of the post conciliar new age. Men are fallible, God is not. So when the liberals and novelty people of new church want to hold hands, embrace you and start singing a new song unto the Lord don't join them and their dirty popes, dirty leaders and their dirty new order ugly churches. "And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send the operation of error, to believe lying." (2 Thess. 2:10). What is specifies is all that is happening and the last hope to lead souls to Christ and eternal life has all but vanished, such passage also indicates that God through His punishment not only allows but sends the new church deception by lying wonders, false miracles, in punishment of their not seeking the love of truth. Such are even many in traditional chapels that only attend the Mass. This is not enough, but to offer your life as a cross, to be a martyr in spirit and if so your blood being shed. If you do not do such or desire to do this then it is sure you will never enter into the reign with Christ and His faithful servants and saints who have gone before us to live as examples to what Christ demands. Gal. 1:8-9, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema. As we said before, so now I say again: If anyone preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema. Let the post conciliar popes, the cardinals and the bishops, its clergy all be anathema. For all did teach a new gospel. If ye to as ignorant as you are also do teach and believe the new gospel ye also shall perish with your leaders and your favorite pope, John Paul II. The liberals, freemasons and modernists were present in the time of Pius IX. To fight the revolutionaries of his time the Vatican I Council had to be set up to protect the barriers of the church from being infected with the diseases of the time. It is just that the people (diseases) of the new order church have made the church a social club and anything but a church. If the Church is headless on earth as it has been many times based on canon law and the three points then the church stopped and is invisible between the death of a pope. Or is that something the anti-sedevacantist along with many issues don't want to address? The head of the visible church is only Jesus Christ, so the church goes on with or without a pope present and a body of bishops from one or two points other than physical death. Those points are well established in pre-Vatican II teaching and in authority. It is possible the seat of Peter can be vacant for an indefinite period of time and it may be much longer than 50 years, but may last over 100 years or more, but I do believe by 2020 hopefully sooner we will get rid of Vatican II and the novus ordo and get a REAL POPE to govern the church as Christ wills. For now it is wishful thinking on all our part if you are a traditional catholic. With the use of a number of traditional sources such as truecatholic.org, traditio and experts in the catholic faith, priests..., I have been able to put this argument together to support anything I say about the non-existent pope who occupies the chair of the vicar of Christ. This clown is to be shunned and be cursed by heaven and earth. Do not embrace these heretics or you will get their disease. You shall die with them eternally. Now let us go to John XXIII. His name was Giuseppe Roncalli. He was sent as Nuncio to Turkey because the Holy Office's suspicion of his liberal views. During his term there, he joined the Rosicrucian Masonic Sect in 1935. By this very act of changing religions he "tacitly resigned" (Canon Law 188 # 4.) from all offices in the Church and was no longer a member of the Catholic Church. However, as with all things Masonic, this was still "secret" (occult) from the hierarchy of the Church and the Pope. He was then sent to France as Nuncio, and it was there that he received his red hat from the hands of the Masonic French President, an unparalleled event. He was then re-called and sent to Venice as its Patriarch and it was there that he set into motion the creation of this false church. How could the Doctrine of Papal Infallibility expose Roncalli for the traitor that he was? "Pastor Aeternus", the Encyclical that defined this dogma states that the pope, when speaking from the "Chair of Peter" on matters of the faith and morals, cannot err. When John XXIII spoke out from this very position in his encyclical "Pacem In Terris", he taught error and did not attack communism but if anything helped it. He spread humanism, modernism and liberalism and that became the magisterium of Vatican II for modern man, unity among men and free thinking. It is incompatible that he could be the pope and yet teach error, therefore by the Will of Almighty God, the protection promised by Christ to Peter was never with Roncalli. It was a sign of his defection from the faith. What then was the standing of the successors of John XXIII? Paul VI was also highly favored by the Freemasons. He studied outside privately and not in a seminary. His father was one of those who opposed Papal Infallibility in his newspapers. Paul VI also signed into law the many heresies condemned by past Magisteriums as the new faith of Vatican II. John Paul I advocated the youth of the Italy to follow Carducci, a well known Satanist, and John Paul II stated himself to a biographer that he was a modernist. His international actions around the world proclaimed this. He had an idol placed on the high Altar in the Basilica of St. Francis of Assisi for the Peace Day of Prayer in October 1986, that accommodated the high priests of all religions, even those who worshipped the devil. Benedict XVI is replete with his own heresies, including the denial of the "Real Presence" of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, rejection of the doctrine of Original Sin, and support for Evolution. All these false interloper-popes rejected the Christ of the Gospels and placed their own version. Their "Christ" was in fact Humanism, the forerunner of Pantheism, which is the ultimate end for all those belonging to the faith of Vatican II. If this was so, then what about all further hierarchical promotions, the calling of Vatican II, its decrees the changes to the liturgy and the laws of the Church, the new canon Law and John Paul II's new catechism? They are all null and void, since they had no authority, to function as Catholic members of the hierarchy. This is because they all followed John XXIII into his new false religion of ecumenical Conciliarism, a deadly heresy previously condemned by the past Magisterium. And by virtue of the Magisterium's Canon 188 # 4, they too "tacitly resigned" from all offices in the Church, outside of which there is NO salvation. (Unam Sanctam. Pope Boniface VIII. 1302.) Anti-sedevacantists must wake the hell up and realize that the absence of a true Catholic Pope for 50 years is a divine punishment and to blind the many who have chosen their own free-will over the will of God. Their minds and hearts are dulled, complacent and they have been turned over to the reprobate to follow the prince of the world. Christ and His institution continue with or without a visible head of heretics who seek to destroy His church. They destroy souls, they destroy lives, and the faith of many, but not Christ and His bride. Who are the anti-sedevacantists to say that God may not punish unfaithful? Did not God punish Moses, Saul and David, did not the Jews not get punished? Who the hell and damn tarnation do you anti-sedevacantists and you novus ordo dogs and Vatican II loyalists think you are to make up your own laws and doctrines? God can punish permanently cannot He? Succession of Peter and the apostles WHAT! John XXIII and Paul VI aided the communists in their actions and writings, and gave anti-popes, John Paul II and Benedict opportunity to further the agenda. He also will be the cause for scandal and the hidden Marxism, socialism and new age theology in the world. In fact these isms have never left us. Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio During the time of the Council of Trent Pope Paul IV issued his Apostolic Constitution of February 15, 1559. This Papal Bull below also focused on the validity of a prelate or Pope in the event they were in heresy or apostasy. By virtue of the Apostolic office which, despite our unworthiness, has been entrusted to us by God, we are responsible for the general care of the flock of the Lord. Because of this, in order that the flock may be faithfully guarded and beneficially directed, we are bound to be diligently watchful after the manner of a vigilant Shepherd and to ensure most carefully that certain people who consider the study of the truth beneath them should be driven out of the sheepfold of Christ and no longer continue to disseminate error from positions of authority. We refer in particular to those who in this age, impelled by their sinfulness and supported by their cunning, are attacking with unusual learning and malice the discipline of the orthodox Faith, and who, moreover, by perverting the import of Holy Scripture, are striving to rend the unity of the Catholic Church and the seamless tunic of the Lord. 1. In assessing Our duty and the situation now prevailing, we have been weighed upon by the thought that a matter of this kind [i.e. error in respect of the Faith] is so grave and so dangerous that the Roman Pontiff, who is the representative upon earth of God and our God and Lord Jesus Christ, who holds the fulness of power over peoples and kingdoms, who may judge all and be judged by none in this world, may nonetheless be contradicted if he be found to have deviated from the Faith. Remembering also that, where danger is greater, it must more fully and more diligently be counteracted, We have been concerned lest false prophets or others, even if they have only secular jurisdiction, should wretchedly ensnare the souls of the simple, and drag with them into perdition, destruction and damnation countless peoples committed to their care and rule, either in spiritual or in temporal matters; and we have been concerned also lest it may befall us to see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by the prophet Daniel, in the holy place. In view of this, Our desire has been to fulfil our Pastoral duty, insofar as, with the help of God, we are able, so as to arrest the foxes who are occupying themselves in the destruction of the vineyard of the Lord and to keep the wolves from the sheepfolds, lest we seem to be dumb watchdogs that cannot bark and lest We perish with the wicked husbandman and be compared with the hireling. 2. Hence, concerning these matters, We have held mature deliberation with our venerable brothers the Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church; and, upon their advice and with their unanimous agreement, we now enact as follows: In respect of each and every sentence of excommunication, suspension, interdict and privation and any other sentences, censures and penalties against heretics or schismatics, enforced and promulgated in any way whatsoever by any of Our predecessors the Roman Pontiffs, or by any who were held to be such (even by their "litterae extravagantes" i.e. private letters), or by the sacred Councils received by the Church of God, or by decrees of the Holy Fathers and the statutes, or by the sacred Canons and the Constitutions and Apostolic Ordinations - all these measures, by Apostolic authority, we approve and renew, that they may and must be observed in perpetuity and, if perchance they be no longer in lively observance, that they be restored to it. Thus we will and decree that the aforementioned sentences, censures and penalties be incurred without exception by all members of the following categories:
(i) Anysoever who, before this date, shall have been detected to
have deviated from the Catholic Faith, or fallen into any heresy,
or incurred schism, or provoked or committed either or both of
these, or who have confessed to have done any of these things, or
who have been convicted of having done any of these things. All this We will and decree.
3. Nonetheless, We also consider it proper that those who do not
abandon evil deeds through love of virtue should be deterred
therefrom by fear of punishment; and We are aware that Bishops,
Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates, Cardinals and Legates, Counts,
Barons, Marquises, Dukes, Kings and Emperors (who ought to teach
others and offer them a good example in order to preserve them
in the Catholic Faith), by failing in their duty sin more gravely
than others; since they not only damn themselves, but also drag with
them into perdition and into the pit of death countless other
people entrusted to their care or rule, or otherwise subject to
them, by their like counsel and agreement.
(a)hitherto (as We have already said) have been detected, or have
confessed to have, or have been convicted of having, deviated [i.e.
from the Catholic Faith], or fallen into heresy or incurred schism
or provoked or committed either or both of these; (iii) that all such individuals also shall be held, treated and reputed as such by everyone, of whatsoever status, grade, order, condition or pre-eminence he may be and whatsoever excellence may be his, even Episcopal, Archepiscopal, Patriarchal and Primatial or other greater Ecclesiastical dignity and even the honour of the Cardinalate, or secular, even the authority of Count, Baron, Marquis, Duke, King or Emperor, and as such must be avoided and must be deprived of the sympathy of all natural kindess. 4. [By this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in PERPETUITY, we] further enact, determine, decree and define:] that those who shall have claimed to have the right of patronage or of nominating suitable persons to Cathedral, Metropolitan, Patriarchal and Primatial Churches, or to Monasteries or other Ecclesiastical benefices which may be vacant by privation of this kind (in order that those which shall have been vacant for a long time may not be exposed to the unfit, but, having been rescued from enslavement to heretics, may be granted to suitable persons who would faithfully direct their people in the paths of justice), shall be bound to present other persons suitable to Churches, Monasteries and benefices of this kind, to Us, or to the Roman Pontiff at that time existing, within the time determined by law, or by their concordats, or by compacts entered into with the said See; and that, if they shall not have done so when the said period shall have elapsed, the full and free disposition of the aforesaid Churches, Monasteries and benefices shall by the fulness of the law itself devolve upon Us or upon the aforesaid Roman Pontiff. 5. [By this Our Constitution,] moreover, [which is to remain valid in perpetuity, We] also [enact, determine, decree and define:] as follows concerning those who shall have presumed in any way knowingly to receive, defend, favour, believe or teach the teaching of those so apprehended, confessed or convicted:
(i) they shall automatically incur sentence of excommunication;
(iv) they shall be incapable of making a will; (xi) laymen, moreover, in the same way - even if they be qualified, as already described, or endowed with the aforesaid dignities or anysoever Kingdoms, Duchies, Dominions, Fiefs and temporal goods possessed by them; (xii) finally, all Kingdoms, Duchies, Dominions, Fiefs and goods of this kind shall be confiscated, made public and shall remain so, and shall be made the rightful property of those who shall first occupy them if these shall be sincere in faith, in the unity of the Holy Roman Church and under obedience to Us and to Our successors the Roman Pontiffs canonically entering office. 6. In addition, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity We enact, determine, decree and define:] that if ever at any time it shall appear that any Bishop, even if he be acting as an Archbishop, Patriarch or Primate; or any Cardinal of the aforesaid Roman Church, or, as has already been mentioned, any legate, or even the Roman Pontiff, prior to his promotion or his elevation as Cardinal or Roman Pontiff, has deviated from the Catholic Faith or fallen into some heresy:
(i) the promotion or elevation, even if it shall have been
uncontested and by the unanimous assent of all the Cardinals, shall
be null, void and worthless;
(iii) it shall not be held as partially legitimate in any way; (v) each and all of their words, deeds, actions and enactments, howsoever made, and anything whatsoever to which these may give rise, shall be without force and shall grant no stability whatsoever nor any right to anyone; (vi) those thus promoted or elevated shall be deprived automatically, and without need for any further declaration, of all dignity, position, honour, title, authority, office and power. 7. Finally, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity, We] also [enact, determine, define and decree]: that any and all persons who would have been subject to those thus promoted or elevated if they had not previously deviated from the Faith, become heretics, incurred schism or provoked or committed any or all of these, be they members of anysoever of the following categories:
(i) the clergy, secular and religious; (iv) Castellans, Prefects, Captains and Officials, even of Our Beloved City and of the entire Ecclesiastical State, even if they shall be obliged and beholden to those thus promoted or elevated by homage, oath or security; shall be permitted at any time to withdraw with impunity from obedience and devotion to those thus promoted or elevated and to avoid them as warlocks, heathens, publicans, and heresiarchs (the same subject persons, nevertheless, remaining bound by the duty of fidelity and obedience to any future Bishops, Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates, Cardinals and Roman Pontiff canonically entering). To the greater confusion, moreover, of those thus promoted or elevated, if these shall have wished to prolong their government and authority, they shall be permitted to request the assistance of the secular arm against these same individuals thus promoted or elevated; nor shall those who withdraw on this account, in the aforementioned circumstances, from fidelity and obedience to those thus promoted and elevated, be subject, as are those who tear the tunic of the Lord, to the retribution of any censures or penalties. 8. [The provisions of this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity are to take effect] notwithstanding any Constitutions, Apostolic Ordinations, privileges, indults or Apostolic Letters, whether they be to these same Bishops, Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates and Cardinals or to any others, and whatsoever may be their import and form, and with whatsoever sub-clauses or decrees they may have been granted, even "motu proprio" and by certain knowledge, from the fulness of the Apostolic power or even consistorially or otherwise howsoever; and even if they have been repeatedly approved and renewed, have been included in the corpus of the Law or strengthened by any capital conclaves whatsoever (even by oath) or by Apostolic confirmation or by anysoever other endorsements or if they were legislated by ourself. By this present document instead of by express mention, We specially and expressly derogate the provisions of all these by appropriate deletion and word-for-word substitution, so that these may otherwise remain in force. 9. In order, however, that this document may be brought to the notice of all whom it concerns, we wish it or a transcription of it to which, when made by the hand of the undersigned Public Notary and fortified by the seal of any person established in ecclesiastical dignity, we decree that complete trust must be accorded to be published and affixed in the Basilica of the Prince of the Apostles in this City and on the doors of the Apostolic Chancery and in the pavilion of the Campus Florae by some of our couriers; [we] will [further] that a quantity of copies affixed in this place should be distributed, and that publication and affixing of this kind should suffice and be held as right, solemn and legitimate, and that no other publication should be required or awaited. 10. No one at all, therefore, may infringe this document of our approbation, re-introduction, sanction, statute and derogation of wills and decrees, or by rash presumption contradict it. If anyone, however, should presume to attempt this, let him know that he is destined to incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the blessed Apostles, Peter and Paul.
Given in Rome at Saint Peter's in the year of the Incarnation of
the Lord 1559, 15th February, in the fourth year of our Pontificate. + I, Paul, Bishop of the Catholic Church of Rome. That means the anti-sedevacantists have no authority to argue what Christ and His true Popes and bishops established prior to the post-conciliar church which is not His Church. New church are protestants. Paul IV attached a warning the same as St. Pius V. Traditionalists better start listening to the infallible bulls, encyclicals, doctrinal teachings from proper authority. Illegitimate authority came with John XXIII and those after him and the new structure of the heretical hierarchy that we don't need to obey. I am a sede vacante for many reasons because it makes sense. Sede vacante still eat, drink, have red blood, still are human, have to sleep, they pray, attend the Tridentine Mass only. Sede vacante think about the true Catholic Church and its faith, they think about their immortal soul. They issue warnings to the blind and that means many who claim to be traditionalists. We all must be judged and the few in the world who have had to make this decision if they obtain eternal life eventually will be affirmed as loyal to Christ and if not those few will say I believed I was being faithful to Christ by following the only Mass and the ages prior to Vatican II in order to hold onto my catholic faith. Many traditionalists have now taking the in between road, but there is either a very narrow way that we must not deviate from or we take the more travelled roads like many into perdition. Lukewarm traditionalists may even have a larger punishment than many novus ordo fake catholics. Follow the leaders of perdition and their visible catholic church of the new age. Follow the prince of the world who is disguised as an angel of light. Pray with charismatics, they have gifts of healing and work other miracles, they speak a language that only is known to higher spirits. Follow the teachings of John Paul II, get a copy of his Theology of the Body which tells you that you will be naked in heaven. His Threshold Of Hope gave hope to all faithful religions to obtain heaven. You need not be Roman Catholic and you can still have some truth though we novus ordinarians have the full truth, we have peace and love and I am a cantor at the 9:30 Sunday "Mass" singing alleliua, gentile or Jew brothers are we, we can have unity, I love you, you love me, that is the way the new church says it should be. Come To The Table Of Plenty, move to the strums of the guitars, sway in tune to the flutist, John Paul we love you pray for us. You need not genuflect here, just a slight bow will do. There may be Vatican II infiltrators inside the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X. Many will start avoiding those who speak the truth even among the traditional chapels. The indultarians sold Christ out to agree not to fight Vatican II and the new order "mass", Campos sold out, and some of us are waiting for a definite move of the Society in which we have attended their Masses. We want you to tell the Vatican once and for all to go to hell, take their demonic half and half catholic religion with them. It's not CATHOLIC, their leaders and their pope are not I repeat, and you better listen; are not CATHOLIC. Others that attend the Latin Mass sold Christ out, as a sede vacante you cannot sell Christ out or your punishment shall be grave also. When a valid pope takes over we will obey. Until then we defy you Vatican II new ordinarian prelates, popes, priests, laity. Beware of infiltrators of the Vatican II Cult, the new order mess cult, the abominable playground, Rome whore of whores, Babylonia, a double tongued red beast, we shall not accept your marks. You Rome are no longer the Church as a punishment that God can bring and to snare those who believe they sitting on lofty thrones are the visible church pleasing to Christ. Such was Laocoon warning the Trojans about the horse, I tell you in truth, don't accept so beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Pagan catholics that's all they are.
St. Augustine (354-430)
St. Vincent of Lerins (CA. 400-CA. 450), Confessor Of The Church Pope St. Agatho (678-681) Second Council Of Nicaea (787)
POPE Innocent III (CA. 1160-1216) St. Thomas Aquinas, O.P. (1225-1274) The "ANGELIC" Doctor, Principal Theologian Of The Church
"Hold firmly that you faith is identical with that of the ancients.
Deny this, and you dissolve the unity of the Church." "There being an
imminent danger for the Faith, prelates must be
questioned, even publicly, by their subjects. Thus, St. Paul, who was a
subject of St. Peter, questioned him publicly on account of an imminent
danger of scandal in a matter of Faith. And, as the Glossa of St.
Augustine puts it (Ad Galatas 2.14), 'St. Peter himself gave the example
to those who govern so that if sometime they stray from the right way,
they will not reject a correction as unworthy even if it comes from
their subjects....' "The reprehension was just and useful, and the
reason for it was not light: there was a danger for the
preservation of Gospel truth.... The way it took place was
appropriate, since it was public and manifest.
For this reason, St. Paul writes: 'I spoke to Cephas,' that is, Peter,
'before everyone,' since the simulation practiced by St. Peter was
fraught with danger to everyone. (Summa Theologiae, IIa IIae, Q. 33, A.
4)
ST. CATHERINE OF SIENA (1347-1380) DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH
JUAN CARDINAL DE TORQUEMADA [IOANNES DE TURRECREMATA], O.P. (1388-1468)
THEOLOGIAN OF THE COUNCIL OF BASEL/FLORENCE
GIVEN BY POPE EUGENIUS IV THE TITLE OF "DEFENDER OF THE FAITH" "By disobedience, the Pope can separate himself from Christ despite the fact that he is head of the Church, for above all, the unity of the Church is dependent upon its relationship with Christ. The Pope can separate himself from Christ either by disobeying the law of Christ, or by commanding something that is against the divine or natural law. by doing so, the Pope separates himself from the body of the Church because this body is itself linked to Christ by obedience. In this way, the Pope would, without doubt, fall into schism.... "He would do that if he did not observe that which the Universal Church observes in basing herself on the Tradition of the Apostles, or if he did not observe that which has been ordained for the whole world by the universal councils or by the authority of the Apostolic See. Especially is this true with regard to the divine liturgy, as, for example, if he did not wish personally to follow the universal customs and rites of the Church. This same holds true for other aspects of the liturgy in a very general fashion, as would be the case of one unwilling to celebrate with priestly vestments, or in consecrated places, or with candles, or if he refused to make the sign of the cross as other priests do, or other similar things which, in a general way, relate to perpetual usage in conformity with the Canons. "By thus separating himself apart, and with obstinacy, from the observance of the universal customs and rites of the Church, the Pope could fall into schism. The conclusion is sound and the premises are not in doubt, since just as the Pope can fall into heresy, so also he can disobey and transgress with obstinacy that which has been established for the common order of the Church. Thus it is that [Pope] Innocent [III] states (De Consuetudine) that it is necessary to obey a Pope in all things as long as he does not himself go against the universal customs of the Church, but should he go against the universal customs of the church, he ought not to be obeyed...." (Summa de Ecclesia [1489]) Even in schism a pope can be punished. How much more for any form of heresy? We can judge the actions of a pope, but because I have all the evidence I need to prove John XXIII to Benedict and the body of bishops are all heretical we can attack them for their evil and heresies. It is our duty to. Such is for the sake of those who have ears to listen and eyes to see so they may not burn in hell with the heretic popes and heretical bishops.
St. Antoninus, O.P. (1389-1459) BISHOP AND THEOLOGIAN POPE ADRIAN VI (1522-1523) "If by the Roman Church you mean its head or pontiff, it is beyond question that he can error even in matters touching the faith. He does this when he teaches heresy by his own judgment or decretal. In truth, many Roman pontiffs were heretics. The last of them was Pope John XXII (1316-1334)." (Quaest. in IV Sententiam).
GIROLAMO SAVONAROLA (1452-1498) DOMINICAN PREACHER (CAUSE FOR
CANONIZATION PENDING) GIACOMO TOMMASO DE VIO GAETANI [CAJETAN], O.P. (1469-1534)
THEOLOGIAN AND CARDINAL This next argument has always
been argued amongst the sede vacante basis. For those who insist
sede vacante appeared only after Vatican II, you are so wrong. Sede
Vacante is something that could have been or was administered in
earlier times of the church. It was just under a different name. According to St. Robert Bellarmine, papal infallibility is a charism of divine assistance accorded by God to the Pope because of his possessing the magisterium, or the office of primacy. Bellarmine concludes that in the event that an individual Pontiff should delinquently lose the papacy, he would necessarily lose not only the papal office but also the divine charism of infallibility.
In short, the divine assistance is attached not to the person of
the Pope per se, but to the office that is filled by this person.
Therefore, an individual Pontiff enjoys this assistance of the Holy
Spirit as long as he also enjoys the possession of the magisterial
office. Should this office be forfeited, his prerogative of
infallibility would also lapse. Thus, Bellarmine foresaw the
possibility of an individual Pontiff lapsing into manifest heresy.
The First Vatican Council incorporated Bellarmine's own formula in
qualifying papal infallibility. In his treatise De Romano Pontifice,
Bellarmine limits infallibility to those pronouncements made by the
Sovereign Pontiff "cum ex cathedra loquitur." Thus, the charism of
infallibility is a free gift given the Pontiff not for his personal
sanctification, but to assure the welfare of others by means of his
preserving and explaining the Deposit of Faith. For those in the Vatican II new order church and my esteemed colleagues in the traditional church, I with only respect to the traditionalists have declared all your arguments have failed against the sede vacante position. Vatican I and Pastor Aeternus do not box this position in. Perhaps our suffering Pope Pius IX saw inevitably the revolutionaries getting in to wreak havoc on the church and on souls. I do believe eventually many of the traditionalists will join in our fight against the Vatican II apparatus. Stop kidding yourselves about these dogs. We must join forces to resist them, not to dialogue with them. They like dialogue, and they dialogue with devils. We have nothing in common with them. Stop defending them against other traditionalists whoever they are for I also have taken sides with these sede vacante against the false Rome thieves and wolves. NINETEENTH (DOGMATIC) ECUMENICAL COUNCIL, TRENT (1545-1563) [If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, accustomed to be used in the administration of the Sacraments, may be despised or omitted by the ministers without sin and at their pleasure, or may be changed by any pastor (a term that includes the Supreme Pastor, the Pope] of the churches to other new ones, let him be anathema.] I note that Leo XIII followed this line of rites that they are invalid in his bull Apostolicae Curae. It does mean that the new order rites of Vatican II are illegitimate, as a bastard, the ordinations of their priests, consecration of bishops are null, void, and worthless. Their new "mass" consecrations are empty and no miracle occurs by canon law and papal decree of the validity of what the presider does. What we are saying is because such leaders are not leaders, they started a church not recognized by Christ, the Godhead, the angels and saints and those who were ahead of us in better days of the pre-Vatican new ordo church. Which we may not be members of, lest we "participate" in their new church for apostolates, services or obey their leaders we are heretics with them.
ST. FRANCIS DE SALES (1567-1622) ST. ALPHONSUS LIGUORI, C.S.S.R. (1696-1787) BISHOP AND DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH "If ever a pope, as a private person, should fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the pontificate. If, however, God were to permit a pope to become a notoriously and contumacious heretic, he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant." (Verita della Fede, Pt. III, Ch. VIII.9-10) Pope Pius IX, Infallibility, Vatican I "The question was also raised by a Cardinal, 'What is to be done with the Pope if he becomes a heretic?' It was answered that there has never been such a case; the Council of Bishops could depose him for heresy, for from the moment he becomes a heretic he is not the head or even a member of the Church. The Church would not be, for a moment, obliged to listen to him when he begins to teach a doctrine the Church knows to be a false doctrine, and he would cease to be Pope, being deposed by God Himself.
"If the Pope, for instance, were to say that the belief in God is
false, you would not be obliged to believe him, or if he were to deny
the rest of the creed, 'I believe in Christ,' etc. The supposition is
injurious to the Holy Father in the very idea, but serves to show you
the fullness with which the subject has been considered and the ample
thought given to every possibility. If he denies any dogma of the
Church held by every true believer, he is no more Pope than either you
or I; and so in this respect the dogma of infallibility amounts to
nothing as an article of temporal government or cover for heresy."
FR. ADRIAN FORTESCUE (1874-1923)
THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA (1907)
POPE PIUS XII (1939-1958) "There is only one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved." (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Pope Boniface VIII, in the bull, Unam Sanctam, 1302). "The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and teaches, that none of those who are not within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but Jews, heretics and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but are to go into the eternal fire 'prepared for the devil, and his angels' (Mt. 25:41)., unless before the close of their lives they shall have entered into that Church; also that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is such that the Church's sacraments avail only those abiding in that Church, and that fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of piety which play their part in the Christian combat are in her alone productive of eternal rewards; moreover, that no one, no matter what alms he may have given, not even if he were to shed his blood for Christ's sake, can be saved unless he abide in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." (Mansi, Concilia, xxxi, 1739; Pope Eugene IV, in the bull, Cantate Domino, 1441). All three of these statements are ex cathedra definitions of the Church and of the Pontiffs who made them. Ex cathedra means that these are infallible teachings of the Church which all persons must believe in order to be saved. These teachings are not subject to change as the popes in making these declarations of faith were guided by the Holy Ghost, Who is unchangeable. Pope Eugene IV: The Council of Florence |