You need Christ only to fall upon and to call out His Holy Name. Such priests in some cases may think they offer a legitimate mass and consecration to Christ but it cannot be if this tongues and charismatic movement and its healings infiltrate the Holy Sacrifice even if it is a new order "mass". These charismatics have a false love and cast spells on others like Aphrodite and the potion from the arrow of Cupid. If one of them comes up to you and says do you feel love? Pull out your Rosary beads now, this is the time and make the crucifix visible to them. Don't make fun of them but tell them you will pray for their souls and come out of their darkness. To use these vulgar tongues is to have a devil's mass and it does not have to be black. If you cannot hear what the priest says and there is speculation or knowledge he is a mason, liberal, left, does not follow doctrine or is a charismatic be alert that he may be cursing the host or performing a satanic ritual that appears to be a consecration. Don't make tongues into an invention like the unfaithful church did. Any healings of the body, mind, spirit must be of a consecrated priest. The charismatic movement has made up its own interpretations of who can do what and also translates the Scriptures to suit their desires. Is not healing one of the sacraments and is there not doctrinal teaching based on this? Perhaps these holy charismatics can point out the canon law, scriptural passages, doctrine of the church to support their new catholic renewal movement of tongues and ordination of healings. In the Letter of James (5, 14-15) the Biblical basis for the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick indicates after giving several counsels relative to Christian life offers a norm for the sick: 'Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.'" From the Douay text here is the interpretation or dost you modernists and charismatics intend to change the word of the One who comes to judge all? James 14 Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. Verse 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man: and the Lord shall raise him up: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him. Notes on verse 14 "Let him bring in"... See here a plain warrant of scripture for the sacrament of extreme unction, that any controversy against its institution would be against the express words of the sacred text in the plainest terms. It does not mention even tongues of native languages in anointing the sick you phony catholic snake charmer priests and laity. You have not been given authority to practice a renewal of liberal masonic rituals since this false "renewal" which began in 1967.

What I am saying is that some signs, miracles, healings, etc., are not of God and some speaking in tongues is not "necessarily" spirit led or lead by the Holy Spirit as true Roman Catholics use the Holy Ghost to identify with the Spirit. The charismatic movement claims that visible and audible signs and wonders are the unifying force of true Christians. One of the aims of their movement is to unite various protestant movements with catholics under the banner of signs and wonders. The movement unites with some charismatic catholics who still continue to practice witchcraft and idol worship. In this manner of charismatic followings it is true they practice witchcraft and idolatry as protestants believe. Prayer to saints and the Mother of God are not idolatry unless you have intent to worship them or love them more than God or equally to Him. All these novus ordo "catholics" in this movement are heretics and apostates. I could be more tolerable for the non-catholic heretics, but not one of these catholics in name only would be blessed but condemned. Any movement (including Charismatic) that uses signs and wonders as proof of some level of spirituality is operating in deception. There is indeed a fine line and the problem I see is that the charismatic movement (in general) has crossed that line and expects us to accept that they are ALL of God. That is a "dangerous deception" as Christians need to be more discerning about the movement and seek out the true move of God and not get caught up in the emotional flood of signs and wonders. The Charismatic (neo-Pentecostal) movement has it's roots in the Pentecostal movement which began around 1900 at Bethel Bible College in Topeka, Kansas when Agnes Ozman experienced speaking in tongues and believed she received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Was her experience checked against the total context of Scripture? No, the Bible was made to fit her experience and Pentecostalism was born.

Some supporters within this movement see it as based on the belief that certain charisms (a Greek word for gifts), such as the abilities to speak in tongues and to heal (which all Christians believe existed somehow in the early church as described in the Bible) should still be practised today. The cross-over of Pentecostal practices into Roman Catholicism seems to have first appeared in certain Catholic universities of the United States, such as Notre Dame. Professors at these universities began to have private prayer meetings with other lay people where charismatic style prayer was practiced. We opposers of the charismatic movement and all aspects of it question why the Holy Ghost would start this miraculous healing, tongue talking, and other enlightening gifts at un-catholic universities in the United States and in 1967 when many other movements came to be and renewal of the world and its cultures was a dynamo. In 1967, the Roman Catholic Church in the U.S. witnessed the emergence of Neo-Pentecostalism, a movement which had already been introduced into the Protestant churches as early as 1890. It arrived in California in the sixties and St. Patrick's Seminary was one of the first to have it and liturgical dance. In 1967 guitar "masses" first appeared, then the destruction of the liturgy, destroying altars, sacred music disintegrated and freedom from holiness for self expression was the new self made holiness.

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing." [2 Thes. 2:9-10] Until 1960, these experiences were contained in denominations such as Assemblies of God, Foursquare, and United Pentecostal. In 1960 Pentecostalism spilled over denominational lines when Dennis Bennett, rector at St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Van Nuys, California experienced what he believes was the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues. On the American scene it is possible to date significant charismatic beginnings to the year 1960 with the national publicity given to certain events connected with the ministry of Dennis Bennett. Since then there has been a continuing growth of the movement within many of the mainline churches: first, such Protestant churches as Episcopal, Lutheran, and Presbyterian (early 1960s); second, the Roman Catholic (beginning in 1967); and third, the Greek Orthodox (about 1971). The charismatic movement has affected almost every historic church and has spread to many churches and countries beyond the United States. This continuing growth has resulted in a multiplicity of national, regional, and local conferences, the production of a wide range of literature, and increasing attention to doctrinal and theological questions both within and outside the movement. The challenge to the churches may be seen in the fact that since 1960 well over one hundred official denominational documents, regional, national, continental, and international, on the charismatic movement have been produced. Perhaps this is part of the Third Secret but the event we know of was the calling of the false council which certainly is a punishment for the church and the charismatic movement is a punishment to turn catholics over to reprobate minds. In appropriating charismatic experiences, they sought to restore authenticity and power to strayed Methodist, Baptist, and Presbyterian traditions. While it is a grave sin to ascribe the supernatural of God to the devil, it is equally a grave sin to ascribe the devil's signs and miracles to the Spirit of God. In Matthew 7 Jesus identifies a group of people who prophesy in His name, cast out devils, and do many wonderful works. Did not the one who attempted to cast out demons in Jesus name who did not walk in the same gospel get pounced by the demons? See Acts 19. So it is the catholics who play with this charismatic movement will certainly fall into more perdition for its misuse of scriptures and its energy to perform miracles and signs.

According to Dom Peter Flood, O.S.B., a recognized authority in moral and medical matters, glossolalia is 'mere gibberish, not having the philological structure of any language,' and is produced by the uncontrolled power of vocalization, as in the phenomena 'of hysteria and in tantrums of young children not yet capable of sustained speech. 'His studies, based on tape recordings, led him to believe that all the emotions felt in the prayer sessions were those of sensory excitement, because certain of the lower brain centers were being stimulated while not being controlled by higher mechanism. Such a view is certainly consistent with some of the opinions expressed by the charismatics themselves. The Church has always held that the gift of tongues is a gratiae gratis datae, that is, a gift given for the sake of others. Further, the saints repeatedly warned against an individual desiring or seeking such gifts lest they be deluded by satanic powers. Again, it has always considered this particular gift as an inferior one, and St. Paul ranks it next to last in a list of eight charisma. Whatever all this new ' evangelical' religion is, one thing is clear - IT'S NOT CATHOLIC. No Catholic can hold that the Holy Ghost either derives, or is activated, from sources outside the Church. No Catholic can submit himself to rites and rituals that are not of ecclesiastical and ultimately of apostolic origin. No Catholic can allow himself to be involved in the gibberish of glossolalia. No Catholic can accept a faith which is purely 'experiential' and without doctrinal foundation. No Catholic can hold that salvation is not an individual affair. No Catholic can actively participate with non-Catholics in acts of worship (did not Christ and the Apostles tell us how we should worship?), and finally, no Pentecostal can deny that every one of the above criteria are demanded of the followers of this new sect. If our hierarchy sees no problem in all this, then plain and simple, they are not Catholic! Wandea.Org.pl/pentecostal-movement.htm.

"There did you hear that", "wait wait did you see something?" What I am doing is giving you an example of the UFO people waiting for some unknown thing in the atmosphere. Charismatics are the same people but much worse for they seek miracles of healing, greatness, apparitions, visions etc. An envy of many of them to perform signs turns them over to the devil who is very willing to make miracles but for a price they shall dearly pay for later on. "...I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (verse 23b). Since the Scriptures warn us that Satan appears as an angel of light and his ministers as deceptive ministers of righteousness (2 Cor. 11:14-15), short-term "positive" results prove nothing. The only true basis for discerning whether or not God is behind these alleged revivals is the test He commands: "To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn." [Isa. 8:20] At Pentecost the gift of tongues was used to communicate to those of foreign tongues (Acts 2:8) and I believe God empowers us with His gifts to likewise communicate His truth to those who are unhearing. His gifts are not meant to puff me up, but rather to use in the edification of others. Reverend Jovian Lang, OFM, DICTIONARY of the Liturgy indicates two definitions. Neo-Pentecostalism which is the catholic charismatic renewal a movement emphasizing spiritual experience of power from the Holy Spirit that sanctifies and exhibits itself externally through charismatic gifts. This group assumes the Spirit is at work in the world sanctifying us and we should be expecting such reaction to His influence. It began in the late sixties at Duquesne in Pittsburgh and Notre Dame, (football team). It has spread widely in the states, national and international meetings have occurred and one in Rome 1975. Charismatic prayer is essential at their meetings. They even worship unknown devils and spirits in front of an exposed host in a monstrance. It sometimes occurs at a parish inside the rectory or church. Tongues to them is a gift and form of prayer not communication. It occurs in their meetings in a truly self-possessed manner. That interpretation safely leads us to say they are devils themselves internally even if the prince of demons is not present. They have a correlative gift of interpretation. Laying on of hands which brings peace, joy and love from the Holy Ghost. Such baptism in the Spirit brings about a moral transformation, a sense of rebirth, with a suffusion of the Spirit. Mark 1:8 and the same verse is in the other gospels and in Acts. The baptism of the Holy Ghost in the Douay indicates that Christ will baptize with the Holy Spirit. There are no references that interpret this baptism speaks of the charismatic movement and its new baptism. You must be baptized with water in order to obtain the kingdom of heaven. This baptism of the Holy Ghost occurs when you are baptized with water. It is mortal sin and a sin against the faith to be baptized twice. You are baptized once in the Holy Ghost in the Roman Catholic Church. Charismatics grieve the Spirit by many of the things they claim and do. They say they have a baptism we don't have, so they have an arrogance, a pride and an envy.

It is apparent that the devil works on their perverse minds and their interpretations of the Bible, the teachings of the church and the manifestations of the Holy Ghost. If these other catholics are given this baptism of the Holy Spirit and the rest aren't that means the baptism of water is not adequate. Would any scholar of the Church correct me? I am all ears for your thesis. My thoughts are conclusive based on searching and scriptures. It's demonic and must be condemned as heretical, liberalized modernization, ecumenical, masonic and a mocking of Christ the King and the valid sacraments of the Catholic Church that pre-exist Vatican II. Do not accept anyone laying hands on you of the charismatic movement even if they do not use this tongue of the devil and don't go unless you are observing to use their secular fake religion against them in word or to videotape. This catholic movement holds that this new baptism of the Holy Spirit allows them to speak in tongues, heal sick and have similar charismatic gifts of the early church. Here is their intent from the devil and that is spread their plague to others by an outpouring of their spirits they call upon and asking for spiritual favors so they can pretend to be the apostles and St. Paul. Some of the clergy and nuns involved with this are heretics of a higher order and even if they cannot recognize this they have been blinded by God as punishment for their worship and a yearning to call to heaven for favors. This desire, taste, yearning, envy many of them feel is mortal in nature. Those victims of it who seek healing and are healed or cursed by them verbally or in secret in some cases had no idea they were being healed by a demon and not God. Falling backwards is a sign the demon forces the victim back but not on their knees. I have witnessed this event at parishes from clergy and lay people.

Vatican II and the novus ordo were evil enough for a renewal of the church, now we have renewal of prayers and worship of the devil in the way of the charismatic movement. Jesus was clear on this the only sign you shall receive is the sign of Jonah. They claim a sacramental baptism. This contradicts church teaching for it is not necessary to be baptized again by the devil or maybe that is part of their new religion. Drive them from your sight, for if you do most assuredly the High Priest of Heaven shall reward you as He loathes this abomination. Reformed Online, The Highway/charismatic, Charismatic Characteristics. Take a look at these sites. The charismatic renewal is a movement within the Roman Catholic Church which adopts certain practices and beliefs more commonly associated with the Pentecostal movement within Protestantism. Worship services are characterized by a high energy "mass", as well as prayer meetings featuring prophecy and sometimes glossolalia, or "speaking in tongues". Here are some of the lies of charismatic babblers. They use protestant and modern versions of the Bible and not the Latin Vulgate - Douay Rheims. I urge those who impugn the truth of Scriptures in its specific Holy meaning and interpretation is a sin against the Holy Ghost. I will cite in 1 Cor. 12:28 they say are three forms of tongues which I only intend to argue the two other forms. The unintelligible ones. In 1 COR 12:28 And God indeed hath set some in the church; first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors; after that miracles; then the graces of healing, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches. "No where does it say there are three tongues two which are unintelligible" Kinds of tongues is intelligible and known language such as was at the time of The Tower of Babel where they all went away since they could not understand each other in known tongues. The Holy Spirit is not unintelligible. So why does He who is God have to speak in unintelligible tones when He can speak plainly to the spirit within?

Here are what the charisma types say, tongues also is unintelligible and requires interpretation for the assembly (I Cor 14:13); and unintelligible and no one understands it, for the speaker speaks only to God, edifying himself. (I Cor 14:2, 4). This is called "prayer tongues" because prayer is first and foremost praise of God. Here is what rational and holy says. Agree that prayer is the foremost praise of God. Our Father Who art in heaven hallowed... There is no need to bring in the true prayers of church history and which is what is sacred, we have it to use and none of it consists of unintelligible babbling. Douay text. In 1 COR 14:2 For he that speaketh in a tongue, speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man heareth. Yet by the Spirit he speaketh mysteries. Then 1 COR 14:3 But he that prophesieth, speaketh to men unto edification, and exhortation, and comfort, 1 COR 14:4 He that speaketh in a tongue, edifieth himself: but he that prophesieth, edifieth the church. Stated in 1 Cor. 14:13 And therefore he that speaketh by a tongue, let him pray that he may interpret.

The verses they specified that is unintelligible tongues but this does not say a thing in the Vulgate to aid their meritless argument. I would deny a writ and award the intelligible party on this grave matter of faith and morals. John did say for those who take away from the Word Of God or add to it which also means those who falsely interpret to suit their agendas, intents or whatever reason it may be have a punishment for this. My answer as always is for warnings to those in sin. REPENT. The Second Vatican Council stated in the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium: It is not only through the sacraments and the ministrations of the Church that the Holy Spirit makes holy the people, leads them and enriches them with His virtues.... He also distributes special graces among the faithful of every rank. By these gifts He makes them fit and ready to undertake various tasks and offices for the renewal and building up of the Church. The time for restoration of the church to its holiness and tradition is mandated by heaven, not a renewal. The renewal is separating the lies from the truth, getting rid of the dogs and vermin in the church and that is many members of the charismatic movement meant to burn lest they turn from this false worship of God and using the Holy Spirit for their vain arguments. LUMEN GENTIUM is heretical since it indicated that the charismatic movement was a part of this. But only liberal theologians would interpret and write the documents of Vatican II and spread its errors to the well known the suspecting and the unsuspecting. Lumen Gentium and its renewal of the church is an apostocy, heresy and a grave scandal causing many to leave what was the church. John XXIII and his new pentecost of the church is heresy yet even he did not know they were going to have a devil's movement of healers and tongue lashers. New Pentocost is a new church. Vatican II the new order council and its pig fat has made catholics ready for the kill and the eternal roast. Cardinal Leo Suenens, a big liberal and leader of the charismatic movement was a member of the freemasons at the time of Vatican II and the endorser of it. What good can come from this modernized version of this "movement" and the tongues which is a masonic invention and not of the Holy Ghost? It is most likely Suenens did not repent of his devil worship and anti-catholicism. Since he was also a mason he was a heretic and would be in hell. Reaction to the movement by the church hierarchy has been wildly mixed. Some had initially supported it as being a harbinger of ecumenism (a unity among the religions). These other religions are condemned and those who take part in them of the church, let them be anathema. It was thought that these practices would draw the Catholic and Protestant churches together. This support has been tempered however more recently, as it is thought that fundamentalist tendencies amongst the charismatics would eventually hurt the cause of ecumenism between catholics and non-Catholics. In the United States, the decline of church attendance among catholics and the rise in popularity of the charismatic movement have caused bishops to take special attention and care to this community, which might be the major constituent in many of their parishes. Any priest who speaks in babbling let him be anathema and tossed out into the bitter darkness. Such a heretic is to be excommunicated for worshipping the devil and causing others to sacrilege the Holy Name of the Lamb.

Various protestants are involved with the devil's playground and many catholics are playing in it. They intentionally and unintentionally play with fire. Charismatic is from the Greek derived as divine favor. This movement is among other pagan and false Christian religions as well. It's not catholic, it is not doctrinal teaching and has nothing to do with the scriptures. Don't be fooled by some of the healings. It has nothing to do with this babbling. I have no problem with traditional tongues of the Holy Ghost but it is up to Him to say it is proper to be done at a "mass" or a consecration and He has not done so. So it shall not be done and the majesty of the Spirit will not concede to these miracle loving novus catholics. Charismatic tongues is not acceptable at any novus ordo since it is unintelligible and is not based on scriptural texts. Vulgar tongues in the meaning from vulgate or the other usage regarding the charismatic movement is an abomination and it is a sacrilege in the "mass" or anywhere. The use of tongues is no longer needed for any form of healing, praise of God, or for any valid reason in the church. None of which is apparent today. Many of these adulterers of the faithful create scandal and do have tongues on them but of curses. I hear some of these catholic dogs and I spit them out like beets or snails. They pray in whatever form of tongues they may choose. This is so phony. As a result of their participating in this modern new worship they have an intensification of the community's unity for prayer including heathens and idol worshipping religions. They seduce themselves to believe when someone has a special need the community laying on of hands takes place or praying for baptism in the Spirit. The notions that the charismatic movement enhances faith, promotes better devotion to our holy mother, have more love for the Blessed Sacrament or anything else holy is unfounded. We know the great saints didn't do all this nonsense. The church should not prohibit the gifts of the Holy Ghost, but this is not a gift of the Holy Spirit with this movement.

The Holy Ghost has nothing to do with the liturgical or ecumenical movements either. Take away the feel good stuff in the catholic church. Feel good is not really catholic but of modernism, secularism, protestantism, idolatry, commercialism, materialism and other isms. Does this gift still exist and if so how is it to be used? First it is a language known to others in the world such as Greek, a dialect from a certain region in a country, or a combination of two perhaps even three languages that are intelligible. God does not need any priest or any church member to speak in a way that is not a native language to any person or group of people for any purpose. For the sake of healing it should be left up to members of the priesthood in the catholic church in native languages including Latin or English. It's not necessary as a matter of faith to convert others or to perform a miracle or an act of healing. The laying on of hands or performing prayer of any sort is not absolutely necessary unless prescribed from heaven. Heaven is not bound by nor does it promote babbling, so let not tongues be confused with these feel good movements. If they truly seek to convert, worship and praise God it can done reverently in silent or in group prayer in native languages. There is no purpose for any of the non-sensible noise or the physical actions of anyone or any group of people to worship God or to perform works of the Holy Ghost.

Many of these novus ordo catholics are fakes, some curse, live loosely, are feel gooders, modernists, liberal, they like liturgical dance, guitar messes, drums, some are pro-aborts, watch garbage, etc. All the things I despise. What is tongues? If the true tongues of the Holy Spirit is present including real languages of the world, I would not complain, but I have heard some of this unusual babble. I also am against youth messes, youth rallies, and socials that seem to focus on worldly issues and not of spiritual or pro-life matters. I condemn false prophets and liberal shows on radio and some of the stuff on religious catholic stations that is not of God or the Canon. We must weigh these things out and pick and choose what we are sure of. Don't get caught up in what anyone or what everyone says since it may not be true. I hear some nutty things from some spiritually blind or unusual people or those who just don't seem to fully understand what kind of things happen in the faith of the catholic church. We are not blaspheming the gift of true tongues or the Holy Ghost but we are condemning evil and frauds inside the novus ordo church. Paul VI commissioned these heretics and devil worshippers inside the church with all these new movements that evolved in the 60's. The secular movements grew more intense at the same time so lets all get in some kind of a movement. I move that we get rid of Vatican II and the novus ordo so many souls won't get moved to hell. The people went whoring after strange gods. This movement is part of the big whore (present day Rome). You charismatics worship a harlot. The sting of a scorpion, the fangs of a snake, the delirium of a tarantula. Have you ever seen these babblers sing in tongues? We can imagine what else happens at the tongues community of be bop hip hop, la la, le da, moo ma ring a ding...

THE CATHOLIC PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT

The following letter and response were taken from New Covenant, a monthly magazine which caters to those active in the Catholic and Protestant Pentecostal or Charismatic movements.
"Q: Someone recently attended our prayer meeting and spoke out as a prophecy a word glorifying Satan. He could not be quieted and most of the people attending the meeting were quite upset. What can we do when this type of situation arises?"

"A: It seems that some kind of evil spirit was attempting to disrupt the prayer meeting. Many prayer groups have had similar occurrences. The group's leaders should do everything possible to comfort and reassure the other members of the group. One of the leaders should publicly explain what has happened and encourage the people not to be fearful or upset. It is especially important if there are newcomers in the group to let them know that these occurrences are not the norm." When the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, He taught them the Our Father. Not an emotional, energy-packed experience. Not a "gift" which some people receive, while others do not (i.e. praying in "tongues"), but rather a simple prayer which any man, woman or child can say. The lives of the Saints clearly reinforce this truth. Their methods of prayer did not resemble sporadic outbreaks in unknown, indecipherable tongues. They became Saints on the traditional prayers of the Church: the Creed, the Our Father, the Hail Mary, the Glory Be, etc., and of course the constant raising of their hearts in gratitude to God. How many countless Saints have exalted the Rosary? One never hears of satanic occurrences described in the letter above happening in rosary prayer groups. I have used the information provided by Our Lady Of The Rosary Library to further proclaim the argument against the Catholic Pentecostal Movement, namely "tongues". It is a Protestant movement which has splintered into at least 16 different groups because of dissension and disagreement on how to interpret the Bible. This movement is nothing more than the work of the Evil One. Some of the more outstanding difficulties with "Catholic" Pentecostalism are as follows:

The Charismatic movement magnifies the Holy Spirit. The Bible magnifies Christ. John 16:13-14: "But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things are to come, he shall show you. He shall glorify me, because he shall receive of mine and shall show it to you." The Charismatic movement says that speaking in tongues is a sign that you have been baptized with the Holy Spirit. The Bible says that it was a sign to unbelieving Jews. I Cor. 14:22: "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers, but prophecies not to unbelievers, but to believers." The Charismatic movement says that it is all right for women to speak in tongues in the church. The Bible says that women are to keep silent in the church. I Cor. 14:34: "Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith." From the Douay text 1 Corinthians 14:6 But now brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in teaching? Even inanimate instruments, like the flute or the harp, may produce sound, but if there is no difference in the notes, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? Verse 9 So likewise you--unless with the tongue you utter intelligible speech--how shall it be known what is said? For you will be speaking to empty air. There are, for example, so many kinds of languages in this world and none without meaning. Verse 11 If, then, I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one to whom I speak, a foreigner; and he who speaks, a foreigner to me. So also you, since you strive after spiritual gifts, seek to have them abundantly for the edification of the church. Read on this chapter. I elaborate on 18 and 19. "I thank God that I speak with all tongues; yet in the church, I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may also instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue." Not the strange syllables you hear inside these catholic settings or protestant settings. It is for edification of others. Some or many of these charismatics are running after miracles and unusual worship but it is not of God. As it appears the gift of tongues of speaking new languages, was given primarily with a view not to preaching but to praising God, thereby attracting men to God not by words spoken but by the miracle of speaking various tongues. Such as Russian, French, Portuguese and like I do always with never mincing words in plain English. Charismatics are heretics and are to be anathematized under the scriptures and dogmatic teaching of the church.

I Cor. 14:21 In the Law it is written that "In other tongues and with other lips I will speak to this people, and not other lips I will speak to this people, and not even so will they listen to me, says the Lord". Wherefore tongues are intended as a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers; whereas prophecies, not to unbelievers, but to believers. Verse 23 Therefore, if the whole church be assembled together and, while all are speaking with tongues, there should come in uninstructed persons or believers, will they not say that you are mad? Whereas if, while all are prophesying, there should come in an unbeliever or uninstructed person, he is convicted by all, he is put on trial by all; the secrets of his heart are made manifest, and so, falling on his face, he will worship God, declaring that God is truly among you. Verse 26 Let all things be done unto edification. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let it be by twos or at most threes, and let them speak in turn, and let one interpret. But if there is no interpreter let him keep silence in the church, and speak to himself and to God. These passages once again refer to the early church and not present times. Ask for no miracles or signs so that you are great, for if you are great to say I have this and I feel important I healed someone then you sought to feel self satisfaction. Self satisfaction is the cross and eternal life, not to say look what I did. No miracles occurred with many great saints so who are these updated catholics who want to be great and canonized by other fallible people? I must depart from such people lest my tongue lash out against them with condemnation or shall I keep to myself and let them perish in their pride, sins, lust of miracles and envious jealousies? I Cor. 14:34 Verse 39 So then, brethren, desire earnestly the gift of prophesying and do not hinder the gift of speaking in tongues. Only let all things be done properly and in order.

Ihsv.com. Ecumenism was one of the causes for this fake catholicism. The Charismatic movement places great emphasis on "bodily healing" and tells people that "God is not wanting anybody to be sick", but they have not Scripture to show us where God ever said that. Many of them scoff and sneer at such passages. II Cor. 12:7-9: "And lest the greatness of the revelations should exalt me, there was given me a sting of my flesh, an angel of Satan, to buffet me. For which thrice I besought the Lord, that it might depart from me. And He said to me: 'My grace is sufficient for thee; for power is made perfect in infirmities, that the power of Christ might dwell in me.'" The entire movement is founded on a sin against Faith. There are three ex cathedra dogmatic pronouncements inside the church and one of them is there is no salvation outside the catholic church. In putting it this way for the charismatics I must warn and issue a declaration of hellfire should you not repent of this quasi-masonic idealism that promotes a oneness with self gratification and self edification and joins unity with any false religion in order to give more praise to the god of craftiness, lies and the source of unity of false ecumenical practice. This leads one into acceptance of sin, indulging in temporal things and raises one up in pride against God as Lucifer himself did. These devil worshippers and fakes hide behind the scriptures, church doctrine and evangelization to say they have gifts of God, but they are not of God or His Spirit. It is man made from Vatican II who adapted this practice from the protestants. All you have to do is research this stuff and you will see. You are to condemn these charismatics, reject their blessings, reject their prophecies for even if they are true the devils do prophecy also.